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if anyone interested go to above link and read  this is not a hoax this is now law and will be implemented between may and November
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10-02-2016 02:14 PM
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The TPD could spell the beginning of the end for vaping in the EU. It's a real problem, and honestly I don't know how we can fight it. The best advice I can give anyone is to stock up on DIY supplies, because if the TPD isn't somehow shut down, it'll be nigh impossible to get juice at a decent price. 
Maybe I'm overreacting. I hope I am. But the TPD is definitely a huge problem with horrifying implications. 
10-02-2016 04:26 PM
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Do ya'll have an equivalent to what in the U.S. is a class-action lawsuit?  If so - get a bunch of people together and find a lawyer.  Barrister.  Whatever you call them over there, LMAO. 

Remind one liberal per day, that laws affect only the law-abiding.
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10-02-2016 07:14 PM
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It was written by the European Commission - a deeply undemocratic, unelected and untrustworthy body. The European Parliament is essentially a rubber stamp for the deeply politicised EU Civil Service, AKA the European Commission. I don't need to tell any citizen of the USA just how well that doesn't work.

And applies to all member states of the EU. There have been appeals over it, and a petition that most vapers ignored. There has been a legal challenge to it by Totally Wicked (UK) which wasn't going well but I've yet to hear, or missed the court's final verdict. 

The European Commission has form on this issue, having whipped up hysteria and produced a lot of policy-driven "evidence" that Snus was worse than smoking and got it banned all over the EU except Sweden. Just like we've seen with vaping. This evidence was clearly false but that didn't stop them.

Article 20 of the Tobacco Products Directive comes into force in May. WTF? What has vaping to do with tobacco?

I have written to my (oxygen thief) MP and got a reply which didn't bother with reading the questions asked. I already knew she was a waste of oxygen, this just confirmed it.

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10-02-2016 07:39 PM
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Does this effect making your own juice ? or is it just nicotine based liquids that are sold ready made ? and will it effect the sales of dry goods ? a few questions there lol How can 0% juice be classed as Tobacco!
10-02-2016 09:28 PM
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0% is just a more egregious example of the fact that even juice that contains nicotine isn't a fucking tobacco product.  By the standards thay're setting, eggplants and tomatoes are tobacco products. 

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10-02-2016 09:31 PM
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0 nic shouldn't be affected. And since the Chinese don't give a crap about others' laws (or very often, their own) there will be no problem ordering non TPD compliant kit from China.

Metal wires have too many other uses to be controlled, likewise flavourings, PG and VG.

Any device that is TPD compliant is going to give a rather unsatisfying vape. And has to have a maximum capacity of 2ml. This is a feature, not a bug in the legislation. But see China above. And is supposed to be leakproof and not be able to spill juice when refilled.

There is more but I tend to turn red and swear a lot....

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10-02-2016 09:37 PM
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Chinese companies might ship them to you, but what about customs? If they know it's an ecig product, will they be able to search and/or seize your package? 

Insert obligatory joke about "seizing" your "package" 
11-02-2016 12:06 AM
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(10-02-2016 09:28 PM)Skyray Wrote:  Does this effect making your own juice ? or is it just nicotine based liquids that are sold ready made ? and will it effect the sales of dry goods ? a few questions there lol How can 0% juice be classed as Tobacco!

It will effect DIY juice makers to some degree because Nicotine base will only be available with a maximum strength of 2%/20mg unless you have a medical licence. 0% nic is not effected by the TPD

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11-02-2016 06:54 AM
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Yeah, Customs will seize some, but like with the illegal drugs through the post, enough will get through.

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11-02-2016 07:30 AM
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