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RE: Nicotine question
I almost bought that same thing.  I'm a newbie to all this, see what suggestions some of the others have.  The hard part is deciding what flavors to get.

Just for comparison, I found you can get a gallon of VG on amazon for $25, prime shipping.
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RE: Nicotine question
(06-07-2016 03:40 AM)bibliora Wrote:  I almost bought that same thing.  I'm a newbie to all this, see what suggestions some of the others have.  The hard part is deciding what flavors to get.

Just for comparison, I found you can get a gallon of VG on amazon for $25, prime shipping.

LOL that's the other problem. I have NO idea of what flavors to start with. I don't wanna get a bunch and just be overwhelmed, and I keep thinking that it's best to find a couple 2 or 3 flavor recipes and go from there, but......I'm lost
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RE: Nicotine question
Funny hearing the cheapskates say they didn't buy 100mg nic concentrate because it was twice as much $. Especially since you're getting almost 3x the nicotine for the money. Undecided

Anyway, again at 100mg dilution strength, you need 1ml in a 30ml bottle to get 3mg of nic. That's an easy measurement to make with a syringe, to me anyway. And a little bit over or under isn't a noticeable difference. And I did get my 100mg nic in VG rather than PG since the flavor concentrates are PG based. Just my choice. If you like max VG, then yes most of the PG will be in the bases, but since many tanks can't handle wicking juice that thick, it's good to have PG on hand, even if it is a separate jug like mine. And again, I have separate bottles of VG and PG and nic; I do not want a premixed base since I have then relinquished all further control of the ratios at that point. Example, I made a straight up blueberry for the dripper using 2ml of blueberry concentrate (which is PG based), and the rest was all VG (remember, my nic is in VG also). That would never wick in a tank but it's a steamroller in the RDA. And would not have been possible to make with premixed bases...
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RE: Nicotine question
I'm with TW on this.

But I used to be a chemist so find measuring and mixing come easily.

IMO, you're better off with separate ingredients, PG, VG and nic.

If you are on a lowish nic level <10 say, you probably want to get nic in PG as it is just so much easier to handle. If you like high VG and high nic, you really have to use nic in VG. Now that I'm using 3-6mg liquid depending on how I'm feeling and the device I'm using, I mostly use nic in PG for its ease of handling. And since I prefer very high VG liquids, I mix up my ingredients, then top up to the volume with the VG which just makes life easier.

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RE: Nicotine question
It is hard to figure out which flavors to use.  What are your favorite juices? Favorite fruit? Favorite desert?  Some suggestions, no meat flavorings, chocolate is difficult and it takes experience to come up with something yummy.

I like custard, so I got vanilla and sweet cream.  I like fruit, so got raspberry, blueberry, blackberry.  Then I got a yen for cheesecake.  Most anything with "creamy" elements needs to steep for a to a month before being vapable.  The crowd on this board has experience with every flavor their is, ask if you have questions.

TW, I didn't think about it that way, it was $X at 24mg and $XXX at 100mg.  And all my nic and flavors are pg based.
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RE: Nicotine question
ok my math is broken this morning , was thinking to get a 6mg 120ml bottle using a 36% solution i need 6.66 ml of nic solution . or to make life easy 6.5 ml and accept that its .2% or so shy.

edit : nm , im over complicating things again , 120 x6 = 720 / 36 =20 . 20ml 0f 36mg to make 120ml of 6mg , isnt coffee wonderful shit

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RE: Nicotine question
We've all been there. Overthinking stuff can really confuse.

Which is why I always recommend working out total nicotine and taking it from there.

But you are right, coffee is wonderful stuff.

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RE: Nicotine question
so 250 ml of 100mg to turn 1 US gallon into 6mg/ml with a 10% flavor base . i thinks i got this nailed down , now to figure how to get big flavor and max VG . trial and err , or as Bob say V 1.0 .

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Post: #29
RE: Nicotine question
A US gallon is 3785ml (Yes I did have to look that up). So to make a gallon of 6mg/ml juice we need 6x3785=22,710mg of nicotine. With 100mg/ml nic solution that's 227ml of nic.

PG carries flavour better than VG, VG makes better clouds than PG. Getting the balance of these and flavours right is the fun bit. Mixing at 50:50 PG/VG you can probably get away with a half to two thirds of the flavouring you'd use with 80% VG. I usually start mixing at 20% flavour (Just about all flavours are in PG) as I like the "feel" of 80% VG juice.

If you like throat hit, either up the nicotine or up the PG. I have a customer who loves throat hit but vapes 0.5mg/ml nicotine in 100% PG juice and was moaning that the throat hit wasn't adequate. (I think this person may have been a dragon in a previous life) and now adds 10% vodka to juice. Just to get the inhaling red hot razor blades feel.

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RE: Nicotine question
i was basing my figures on 3785.4 + 10% x 6 / 100 .
i really want to get the pg as low as posible , i general buy 80% VG or max VG ,the best ive done with DIY is 74/26 VG/PG still nice cloud but not nearly smooth as i lke .
thank you for the asist Don

btw i had to look up the gallon to ml conversion as well

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