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Nic Salts vs Freebase nic
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Nic Salts vs Freebase nic
Hi all!

For starters, thanks for the help on my last post. Figured out the problem was that the 80/20 juice I was using wasn't giving me the flavor I expected, and when I purchased a 70/30 mixture the problem was fixed.

Now on to my next question: why am I not feeling the nic buzz at all? When I vaped nicsalts, I was only using juice that had 50mg/ml nic with no problems (no harsh throat hit or any other weird symptoms of a high nic dosage) After switching to a freebase juice (80/20) it was 3mg/ml nic, and definitely didn't feel anything. The 70/30 mix had 6mg/ml, and still nothing. Not sure if want to up my dosage to a higher mg of nic because I've heard higher dosages can have harsher throat hits, but 3mg just isn't cutting it. I should note that with nicsalts I was using a pod system with an 11watt output, and my new setup has variable wattages from 5 W to 30W. Could this be the problem? I've tried it on every wattage setting but still didnt feel any kind of buzz. Any suggestions?

Thanks everyone!
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02-12-2019 07:15 AM
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RE: Nic Salts vs Freebase nic
Nic salts are smoother on the throat.

I have done a direct to lung hit with 20mg/ml nic salts at 180W. Once. You absorb a lot of nic that way.

Trying that with 20mg/ml freebase would have resulted in my needing a stick to push my lungs back in.

Depending on your style, you could either use nic salts to up the nic content though freebase at 12mg/ml might be enough and is cheaper.

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02-12-2019 07:37 AM
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RE: Nic Salts vs Freebase nic
Thanks Don!

I'll try out a 12mg and see how that goes. I was told by a friend that 6mg should be more than enough but I don't think they thought about the fact that I used high mg nic salts and am brand new to vaping in general... Now the problem is that I have two huge 120ml bottles of 80/20 and 70/30 that will most likely go to waste Sad
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RE: Nic Salts vs Freebase nic
Nah, you can add nicotine to them. The flavour will be slightly weakened but not a lot.

To convert 100ml of 6mg/ml to 12mg/ml you need to add 600mg of nicotine. Which is 6ml of 100mg/ml nicotine solution.

To convert 100ml 3mg you need to add 900mg of nicotine which is 9ml of 100mg/ml solution.

Get nicotine dissolved in PG, it'll help a little with the 80/20.

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02-12-2019 08:12 AM
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RE: Nic Salts vs Freebase nic
Wow, I had no idea that was something I could even do. Do you have any recommendations on where/how I could order these?
02-12-2019 08:18 AM
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RE: Nic Salts vs Freebase nic
I'm not in the US but hopefully some of our US members can chip in.

It helps to get some accurate measuring devices. Syringes are cheap and adequately accurate, just tape over the markings with clear tape as PG and VG will both wipe the markings off the syringes. Get a large bore (at least 14 gauge) needle for handling thicker liquids like VG. Don't use needles for injection, there is no need for the needle to be sharp and you will hurt yourself with it one day.

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RE: Nic Salts vs Freebase nic
I've bought all my nic from Heartland Vapes. Fast shipping and great customer service.

Do you want a lot of throat hit? Freebase nic is definitely a harsh little fellow. That is why I switched to salts. I use them at just 3mg so they are not required to be used in high levels. And freebase/salts can be used together- so if you don't want to increase the throat harshness you can add salts to your 6mg freebase juices.
02-12-2019 03:37 PM
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RE: Nic Salts vs Freebase nic
You can use either, a lot of people prefer salt nic because it's smoother especially at higher concentrations
19-08-2020 01:54 PM
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RE: Nic Salts vs Freebase nic
To get a bit more in-depth with this... from what I understand, modern nic salt formulations are smoother, yes, which does allow for higher nicotine concentrations to be used without producing harsh vapor, but they're also designed to absorb faster so you can not only vape higher concentrations like 50mg/ml (5%) but the nic will actually absorb into your system faster. Apparently, to create nic salts they start with freebase nic and infuse it with acids, often benzoic acid, which reduces the pH level and allows for it to be vaped at a lower temperature which causes a reaction that allows it to be absorbed easier. This article probably explains it better. For me, I don't even really bother with the freebase nic juices for the most part because it seems to take way too many hits to get enough nic. I'm not really trying to sit there and blow clouds all day, I just want to take a few quick rips and be done with it.

When I first started vaping the vape that really did it for me (got me to quit smoking) was the Juul. I didn't know then but I think the reason why it worked, a big part of it anyway, was the 5% strength nic salts in the juice. I would tell myself just keep hitting it until you don't want a cig and it wouldn't take long for that nic buzz to kick in and I'd be like "yup, definitely don't want a cig" lol. Since then I have tried messing around with freebase nic juices here and there but they really just don't do it for me. I have, however, started to vape lower strength nic salts, like 30-35mg/ml, which seem to work pretty good. I've actually been vaping mostly in that range lately but the other day I picked up some 5% disposable vapes cause I wanted to try the flavors and a few rips in I was floating, haven't had that much nic that fast in a while lol, which definitely isn't helping me get those numbers down (my goal is to get down to 0% and stop vaping at some point).
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