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Determine what's safe and unsafe
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Determine what's safe and unsafe
Hi all. As we're members of this forum, we all know the benefits of vaping in giving up smoking and we all know it's much, much safer than smoking. I'm talking of vaping as a whole thing, but there are certain things I think shouldn't be done because in my opinion, are very unhealthy.
For example, using the same coil for a long time, causes it to burn and to release dangerous chemicals. Also, I've seen people on videos vaping on mods powered by 10 parallel batteries in very very high wattages and producing big amounts of vapor. I don't think that can be called "safe" and people like them are the cause for bad reputation of vaping.
What do you think about these things? And if you think of other unsafe things to do, lets list them
25-10-2016 09:39 PM
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RE: Determine what's safe and unsafe
I doubt anyone here will list unsafe things - will likely give some folks ideas - remember this group is for members (to post) but the posts are public and anyone can read them! Sad

If you want to learn what not to do, go to youtube and type "stupid people" or "karma" and watch how lucky some people are.... Smile
25-10-2016 09:54 PM
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RE: Determine what's safe and unsafe
Telling that no matter what you do or how you do it, vaping is safe, won't help anyone. Cutting onions is practically safe, but if you put onions in your eyes and then cutting your fingers isn't safe at all. So maybe we should tell people what to do and what not to do, to make this amazing and helpful way called vaping, really safer than smoking. There is nothing to hide, because vaping, used correctly, IS safe
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25-10-2016 10:05 PM
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RE: Determine what's safe and unsafe
There is of course a place for everything - and it is all in how it is presented - you wouldn't show someone what happens when you chop Jalapeno, Carolina Reaper or a Ghost pepper and touch your face, mouth or eyes - but you can caution on what could happen - there is a difference.....anything and everything is safe in a skilled hand - and disastrous in the hands of an idiot.
25-10-2016 10:25 PM
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RE: Determine what's safe and unsafe
I'd go for a 10 battery mod and blow some madness cloud for sure! Doesn't mean I'm being unsafe, it would if I weren't capible of understanding the posed danger, luckily I am..
You'll never teach how not to be dumb, and accidents will always happen even with the propper precautions in place. What will scaremongering solve?

The only thing to say is if you think it's unsafe don't use it or ask for an informed opinion right here on tvf : )

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RE: Determine what's safe and unsafe
Some common unsafe things that newbies might do:
  •  Assuming all 18650s are fine - this is a HUGE no-no. There are only a few 18650s that are safe for use in vaping. If they say "-Fire" anywhere in the name, throw them away. If they say "30A" or higher, they're lying and could very well be much lower, so ask and we'll probably know what the real rating is. If they say "5000mAh" they're probably not good for vaping either. If in doubt, ask and we'll help. 
  • Building too low with mech mods - this isn't as common now since mech mods have gone out of style in many ways, but it bears repeating: LEARN OHM'S LAW AND HOW TO USE IT. Not as big a deal with regulated mods, but it's best to know your limits. 
Really, anything other than that can be safe if done correctly or unsafe if done incorrectly. 
26-10-2016 02:42 AM
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RE: Determine what's safe and unsafe
The staff and user community here are not in the business of dictating policy. That includes a hypothetical 'published Safe and Unsafe list'. We discuss vaping- how-to's, best practices, make recommendations when asked, offer reviews of gear, explain the reasons given for safety related inquiries, etc. But to specifically dictate what you CAN and CANNOT do would, among other things, propagate a sense of liability if someone refers to this forum as a governing body where they got implicit information that may have led them to an unsafe situation, whether the information was incorrect or misinterpreted.

There is a huge element of common sense in vaping that can't be dictated. If you attempt to use a cell well beyond its' stated operating range, then there could be negative consequences. But then, that sounds pretty obvious, right? Or maybe it makes sense that if you put your lips directly on the coil, you're going to get a nasty burn. Or maybe it makes sense that if you try to vape a bottle of Coca-Cola, it won't go well. Does a list need to exist that states obvious things like that?

Point is, if we try to set up some arbitrary be all and end all list, it must include every single potential situation and possible outcome, which is obviously a fool's quest. I don't want to entertain the thought of a lawsuit against this harmless forum because a clown vaper swallowed an 18650 then claimed "that wasn't on the unsafe list".

About using coils for a long time... How long is too long? What type of metal composition? Where are the links showing what chemicals are produced and released? What is the harm from those chemicals? How do I know when 'too long' has arrived? Slippery slope. There are no answers that a simple list can scope. The best practice and best approach is already employed- Ask a question, get a few answers/opinions. Do the rest yourself.

As we exist now, TVF has a massive wealth of great information. Tips, Tricks, Best Practices, Reviews and Recommendations, DIY information, Advocacy, etc. And yes, many threads where many safety aspects are discussed. But never should it be said that TVF is an official authority. We are a community, not a governing body. If anyone has a question- safety or otherwise- it is welcomed and answered to the best of our ability and knowledge, on a strictly unofficial basis. This is a community of vapers helping vapers. The vaper is ultimately responsible for verifying anything told to them, and assumes all liability for consequences resulting from actions taken. Just like any other forum.

By the way, no one here has ever said one time that whatever you do or how you do it, vaping is 100% safe. We all tend to have more common sense than to say that. Anyone who may think that is very likely brand new to vaping, and would seek out a place like this to get more information.
26-10-2016 02:18 PM
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RE: Determine what's safe and unsafe
However, saying that some things are unsafe is a good idea IMO.

There is no 18650 made that will produce more than 30A continuously. Accidents happen and probably everyone here has had a mod auto fire. If this continues the cell can get far too hot for safety and can violently disassemble itself. Most times the cell will quietly fail and maybe leak some nasty gorp. Sometimes it won't. Consistently advocating unsafe builds can (and has) earned bans.

In the same vein I am deeply unhappy about any device that claims or tries to extract more than 50W per cell from 18650s. If you have more than one cell, the least good one of them has to perform beyond its capabilities. Most of the time, this will just ruin cells. Occasionally they will fail violently. It is best not to be holding them near your face when this happens.

With a mechanical mod, any build below 0.2 ohms is pushing things. Most ohm readers are wildly inaccurate at that level anyway. Good milliohm meters cost hundreds of dollars, the cheapest one I could find cost me over $100.

I used to be a chemist and have training and a lot of experience in handling dangerous materials. I would not really be prepared to handle pure nicotine. In a fume hood, with appropriate equipment, no big deal, I've handled far worse. The vapour pressure of pure or nearly pure nicotine is enough to kill if you aren't very well ventilated. Pure nicotine, just don't. Apart from it being illegal to import the stuff or have it in your possession without a licence almost everywhere. I will only give one warning to people advocating this.

This sort of stuff ought to be common sense. But is not necessarily immediately obvious.

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RE: Determine what's safe and unsafe
I don't want to 'hide' anything about vaping, which includes any negative aspects or safety risks. I just don't think we should try to be an official body. We've discussed plenty of different safety and best use topics, and I'm glad to see those threads. You need to be informed about how this hobby works, after all.
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RE: Determine what's safe and unsafe
Agreed on the official body bit.

But we can and should get rid of those advocating unsafe practices.

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