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But we don't know what's in them!!
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But we don't know what's in them!!
We don't know what's in eCigs and there are no long term trials - We Just Don't Know If They Are Safe!!!

And yet......


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29-01-2014 08:16 PM
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RE: But we don't know what's in them!!
I post make a proper comment here........I don't think the internet is ready for that kind of vitriol though.

Just seen a friend of mine posted that "exploded ecig" picture on Facebook. 

Yeah. I set things straight....
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RE: But we don't know what's in them!!
Just the kinda ridiculous excuse Id expect from the government... I think it ALL boils down to money for them, or the tobacco industry... or both.

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RE: But we don't know what's in them!!
(15-05-2014 12:26 PM)Galaxyrider Wrote:  Just the kinda ridiculous excuse Id expect from the government... I think it ALL boils down to money for them, or the tobacco industry... or both.

BOTH! Ireful3
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RE: But we don't know what's in them!!
UK Govt raised 12 odd billion pounds in tobacco taxes last year. And since we have way higher taxes on tobacco than most places, everyone knows someone who can get you cheap cigarettes/tobacco. So much so that the Revenue reckon that 20% of all tobacco/cigarettes smoked in the UK are not UK duty paid. So their revenue is down about 4 billion from what they expected. Then add an estimated 2.1 million vapers in the last year. Most of whom would have been spending significant sums on taxed tobacco. I was spending around £4000 a year on taxed cigarettes, about 90% of which was tax. So that's £3600 (Roughly US$6100) in tax a year from me alone. Say that the average smoker smokes 20 a day - those numbers are for 30 a day - that's £2400 (US$4080) tax per smoker per year. Now multiply that by 2 million - that's another £4.8 billion hole in the tax base. How can the current government shovel money to its banker friends (The current scum in power handed £57 billion in tax cuts to the bankers that had bought them in 2010) if us peasants won't pay ludicrous taxes on everything? So that's 8 billion to find. Our Government's response - tax the poor some more, cut some more off welfare and give the bankers more money.

Then there's the tobacco industry. The sums are smaller, but I was giving them ~£400 a year. So they are missing £800 million a year in revenue. A revenue that Big Pharma would love to have for their ineffective nostrums. 

Yes, I've used Champix/Chantix. Vile muck! It took 3 years for my mood to recover - that crap is the exact opposite of an antidepressant.

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(15-05-2014 04:17 PM)Don Wrote:  UK Govt raised 12 odd billion pounds in tobacco taxes last year. And since we have way higher taxes on tobacco than most places, everyone knows someone who can get you cheap cigarettes/tobacco. So much so that the Revenue reckon that 20% of all tobacco/cigarettes smoked in the UK are not UK duty paid. So their revenue is down about 4 billion from what they expected. Then add an estimated 2.1 million vapers in the last year. Most of whom would have been spending significant sums on taxed tobacco. I was spending around £4000 a year on taxed cigarettes, about 90% of which was tax. So that's £3600 (Roughly US$6100) in tax a year from me alone. Say that the average smoker smokes 20 a day - those numbers are for 30 a day - that's £2400 (US$4080) tax per smoker per year. Now multiply that by 2 million - that's another £4.8 billion hole in the tax base. How can the current government shovel money to its banker friends (The current scum in power handed £57 billion in tax cuts to the bankers that had bought them in 2010) if us peasants won't pay ludicrous taxes on everything? So that's 8 billion to find. Our Government's response - tax the poor some more, cut some more off welfare and give the bankers more money.

Then there's the tobacco industry. The sums are smaller, but I was giving them ~£400 a year. So they are missing £800 million a year in revenue. A revenue that Big Pharma would love to have for their ineffective nostrums. 

Yes, I've used Champix/Chantix. Vile muck! It took 3 years for my mood to recover - that crap is the exact opposite of an antidepressant.

Anyway - enough ranting for one day.
I tried Chantix too, no wierd dreams.. which I was actually kinda looking forwrd to them.. but I had this huge desire to just beat someone to a pulp.. that was my signal that me and Chantix was over. That was $270.00 down th drain.

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RE: But we don't know what's in them!!
I just felt nauseous all the time. And the only thing that would settle the nausea was eating. Continually. I put on 50lbs (3 and a half stone) in six weeks and am still trying to get rid of it.

One person I work with took one dose and was off work for 4 weeks - she was throwing up everywhere. Which is difficult when your job is cleaning a hospital.

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RE: But we don't know what's in them!!
" e-juice contains Formaldehyde " says big tobacco .
I see and what next will they tell us it's the root cause of hiv ?
Formaldehyde has a degre of nerological impact . as an epileptic i am extreemly sensitive to those effects. in simple terms if e-juice did infact contain formaldehyde i would have seen an increase in cerebral incident , after 30 days and 80+ ml of e-juice i have seen no difference
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RE: But we don't know what's in them!!
Spot on with the screenshot!

goords1001, have a look at this: https://www.google.co.uk/#q=e+cigarettes...ng&tbm=nws

Internet is full with trolls posting info as that, leaking false stories to the Press and what not! Who do you think is behind it? Smile

We're all a bit squeezed when it comes to our opinion and how/whether it means anything? No matter how may petitions, signatures, protests vapers do and collect - the BANK where the money is always wins, so as sad and depressive it may sound this time, e-cigarettes will be regulated and soon or later in every country. I'm not necessarily saying that regulations are bad, they are good and we need them! Regulations will only help but for God sake, not some of the ridicules stuff proposed in EU for the years to come. Still hoping for the best but only time will tell.

Right, time for grocery shopping.

For more information about vaping, e-cigarette legislation, to see various e-cig guides, tips and video reviews - visit EcigsUK Blog.

Vape, vape and vape again.... Wink3
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RE: But we don't know what's in them!!
...yet we know exactly what cancer causing chemicals are in a tobacco cigarette and happily smoke away....

I wonder if we did know what the long term effects were if it would change our vaping habits. Does the fact that we know what is contained in a cigarette and know that they cause cancer make them better or worse than not knowing what e-liquid can do?

Most people that smoke or vape are slaves to nicotine, including myself. People are generally aware of the long-term effects of smoking, and they more than likely know that cigarettes contain several harmful chemicals, yet millions continue to smoke. I think the same will go for vaping when we do know what the long term effects are.

Soon we will know a lot about the long term effects of vaping, but I don't think it will change peoples habits in a hurry. People will continue to smoke and vape regardless of the dangers.
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