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Back to my old love
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RE: Back to my old love
(06-09-2017 09:34 PM)TinWhisker Wrote:  The biggest trepidation I have is going to MTL style. Regardless of wattage, it just isn't the lungfull that DL is. What I did do, for the meantime until I decide if I'm getting an MTL atty, is build a straight 28/40 Clapton parallel at .5 ish ohms, 28w. It's still a free draw, but with reduced power. Maybe a compromise is the best I will be able to accommodate.

You don't have to force things. If being in between is what you like, stay there. Been there, done that. For a period of time, I used to DL with a very very restricted airflow, around 10.5W. I really liked it, except the fact that after chain vaping, I couldn't catch my breath.
I'm pretty sure, one day, you'll grab a MTL atty 'just to remember the old times' and you'll understand how much you missed it Smile
06-09-2017 10:09 PM
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RE: Back to my old love
It's all good TW. I still occasionally vape well beyond 80+ watts. But not very often. Sometimes I feel I just want to hit the Sherman V2 and I do. Mostly I'm quite content at around 14 watts with my salt nic. I don't feel that I have to commit to anything ...

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06-09-2017 11:32 PM
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RE: Back to my old love
Forgot to mention, I do still MTL fairly often with my Juul, since a lot of co-workers smoke and it's a good way to hang out socially without drawing too much attention, and I use my Nautilus Mini from time to time. I say why not do both? Wink I know you've got enough mods to have one MTL and another sub-ohm.
07-09-2017 08:49 AM
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Hi Michael - MTL is certainly a more sociable vape - also a more acceptable vape to the general public as they don't see a difference between vapour and smoke.
07-09-2017 12:15 PM
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(07-09-2017 12:15 PM)ecignut Wrote:  also a more acceptable vape to the general public as they don't see a difference between vapour and smoke.

...unfortunately.
07-09-2017 02:09 PM
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Well, I have figured one thing out... if I'm going to give a style-swap a real go, I need to do it on proper gear. All my stuff is oriented for DL, and I can't get a good MTL pull out of any of it. So rather than frustrate myself using the wrong tool, I am going to acclimate to the lower power levels and continue DL until I can get proper gear. That Beserker deal Paul mentioned looks really swell, but I need to save up (I need two, of course, since the wife sheeps along with whatever I do).
07-09-2017 10:33 PM
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This thread pricked up my curiosity as what is working for me and mouth of late is a single, 24 g, Kanthal coil @.56 ohms in the Wotofo Serpent SSM air intakes half closed at 26 watts... so I am not too far up the DL ladder to try some MTL action.

Just pulled the trigger on the VV Berserker... excited to try it out.

Maybe I can finally gain entry into that damn toodle club after all?

One MTL Rookie Question though...

I have been watching numerous videos on the Berserker whereby reviewers are either using the stock coils (0.4 if memory serves) or building their own, typically in the 0.4 to 0.5 ohm range, which leaves me curious:

I thought true MTL was a combination of vaping technique (the draw into the mouth and then down into the ol airbags) AND ohms plus wattage (typically higher ohms with single digit or just above wattage)? Am I incorrect, is it just the technique of the draw (because quite a few of these reviewers are using the Berserker with 3 and 6mg of nic and 0.4 to 0.5 ohm coils at 25 to 30 watts). What gives? Help me understand the mysterious ways of The Toodle.
07-09-2017 10:38 PM
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And by higher ohms I mean, 1.0 and up coil builds.
07-09-2017 10:41 PM
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Well, truth be told, subohm is a little much for MTL in my opinion. It seems the ramp up time would be rancid, waiting for the coil to get warm enough for a nice vape. Not sure about that one. I'm quasi-toodling at 30w on a .55 parallel Clapton and it ain't exactly smokin' hot. If I get an MTL atty, my target build would be 1ohm or higher.

Absolute ohm ranges are preference only, but high ohm builds will heat up faster and are suited for low watts, where subohm typically uses thicker wire that takes longer to ramp up (thus the need for higher watts).
07-09-2017 10:42 PM
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(07-09-2017 10:42 PM)TinWhisker Wrote:  Well, truth be told, subohm is a little much for MTL in my opinion. It seems the ramp up time would be rancid, waiting for the coil to get warm enough for a nice vape. Not sure about that one. I'm quasi-toodling at 30w on a .55 parallel Clapton and it ain't exactly smokin' hot. If I get an MTL atty, my target build would be 1ohm or higher.

Exactly what I thought as well so...

1. Why is VV including sub-ohm coils in an exclusively MTL atty?

2. True MTL'ing is more than just technique?
07-09-2017 10:44 PM
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