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Baby Beast burning my juice quickly?
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RE: Baby Beast burning my juice quickly?
(05-12-2016 08:32 PM)gentlydoingit* Wrote:  
(05-12-2016 03:57 PM)paulS Wrote:  It's the heat. The baby beast does not insultae the juice from the heat of the coil. So that is what causes the discoloration. Some of my higher end RTAs have insulaters between the coil and juice. So the juice does not discolor. This is the result of a common chemical reaction known as oxidation. Nicotine is a very reactive substance, and can cause e-liquid to change color either in reaction with other ingredients in the juice, or after being exposed to air, light or heat. Nicotine-containing juices tend to become darker over time, even when stored in cool, dark places, but some companies add small amounts of preservatives or stabilizers to prevent oxidation.

Now juices will oxidize and begin to discolor even in the bottle. We call this 'steeping'. This generally enhances the flavor. Not only nic will change color. Oxidation occurs even faster in the clearomizer, where the nicotine and VG is exposed to high levels of heat. The higher the nicotine content of your juice, the more VG, the more visible the effects of discoloration. Vegetable glycerin-based juices (high VG) tend to be sweeter than propylene glycole ones (PG), regardless of the flavor, and the extreme heat causes them to caramelize on the atomizer coil. This is the 'gunk' refered to in the other posts. In extreme cases, 100% VG-based juices can start off as clear, amber-colored concoctions and become dark-brown goo by the time you reach the end of the tank. Simply adding fresh e-liquid will only cause it to darken even faster due to the gunk buildup on the coil, and the residue left in the tank. This is why some juices just wreck your coils - too much sweetner. "Caramelization” ultimately affects not only the color but also the taste of the e-liquid. You need to clean both the tank and the atomizer before refilling. Cleaning can only do so much so you will have to replace the coil or wick in your atomizer more frequently.

This has ZERO to with atomic weight, lol.

Lol.. so why do I get the same effect in my rda's? Usually where the cotton touches the cap?? It's condensed juice I tell you. 
Of course it's taken more oxidisation by vertue of heat, its been vaporised after all.. but that's not why it bleeds back into the tank. It's denser because it's mass is made of larger particals, and thus sinks like a sediment (because it is Wink )

RDAs produce enough heat to oxidize and carmelize and burn through your cotton. Yes it bleeds back into the tank but the cause is heat. Juice in a sub ohm tank is not changing color because it settles. It is changing color because the heat oxidizes it and the coils carmelize causing 'gunk' from the sweetners used. And we love you too Gently. (See how unangry I am today?)

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RE: Baby Beast burning my juice quickly?
Lemme just grab a bowl of popcorn... ok, carry on...
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RE: Baby Beast burning my juice quickly?
(05-12-2016 06:45 PM)TinWhisker Wrote:  Technically, there's no shame in any style or preference of vaping! Anyway, I started my DIY building with prewounds too. I treated it as a two-step process. Step one was knowing how to build a deck and properly wick it. Step two was actually spinning the wire into real live coils. Once I had the building part down enough, I was ready to make coils. Worked for me.

Oh by the way RIP, the iPV8 is a really great little mod. I have one to speak of, this time! Still bummed the 6 was a real womp-womp.

And bibs, if you treat them right, 30 coils will last you more than a year.

A year? 30 coils at 2 per deck and average set lasting 2-3 months (I've been using a set for 6 months) she should be good for a very long time - of course it depends on how many decks she has on the go. Smile

That does raise the question for the veteran vape folks here - with regular maintenance, is any specific wire better duration wise?
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RE: Baby Beast burning my juice quickly?
(05-12-2016 09:13 PM)Fatboy Wrote:  
(05-12-2016 06:45 PM)TinWhisker Wrote:  Technically, there's no shame in any style or preference of vaping! Anyway, I started my DIY building with prewounds too. I treated it as a two-step process. Step one was knowing how to build a deck and properly wick it. Step two was actually spinning the wire into real live coils. Once I had the building part down enough, I was ready to make coils. Worked for me.

Oh by the way RIP, the iPV8 is a really great little mod. I have one to speak of, this time! Still bummed the 6 was a real womp-womp.

And bibs, if you treat them right, 30 coils will last you more than a year.

A year? 30 coils at 2 per deck and average set lasting 2-3 months (I've been using a set for 6 months) she should be good for a very long time - of course it depends on how many decks she has on the go. Smile

That does raise the question for the veteran vape folks here - with regular maintenance, is any specific wire better duration wise?

Wait...WHAT??? a set of pre wound coils in an RBA deck last 2-3 MONTHS??? No way! Huh
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RE: Baby Beast burning my juice quickly?
(05-12-2016 09:28 PM)Ripnhl2005 Wrote:  
(05-12-2016 09:13 PM)Fatboy Wrote:  
(05-12-2016 06:45 PM)TinWhisker Wrote:  And bibs, if you treat them right, 30 coils will last you more than a year.

A year? 30 coils at 2 per deck and average set lasting 2-3 months (I've been using a set for 6 months) she should be good for a very long time - of course it depends on how many decks she has on the go. Smile
That does raise the question for the veteran vape folks here - with regular maintenance, is any specific wire better duration wise?

Wait...WHAT??? a set of pre wound coils in an RBA deck last 2-3 MONTHS??? No way! Huh

I guess some clarification may be in order on what is called what - I don't mean the coils that come with cotton, etc...I mean coils that you wrap or buy pre-wrapped and install on your RDA deck.....

Bibs ordered pre-wrapped coils from China...
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RE: Baby Beast burning my juice quickly?
Yes RIP. With pre-made coils, the cotton fouls long before the actual coil is ready to die, so the baby goes out with the bath water. With DIY decks, you remove the cotton when it gets ate up, clean the coils (by lightly glowing them and using a toothbrush if needed), re-wick new cotton, and you're good to go again. The metal coils themselves will last quite a while as long as they don't get accidentally shorted or otherwise damaged, which is uncommon at best.

FB, I was being general, but she should get more than that I agree.
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RE: Baby Beast burning my juice quickly?
(05-12-2016 09:35 PM)Fatboy Wrote:  
(05-12-2016 09:28 PM)Ripnhl2005 Wrote:  
(05-12-2016 09:13 PM)Fatboy Wrote:  
(05-12-2016 06:45 PM)TinWhisker Wrote:  And bibs, if you treat them right, 30 coils will last you more than a year.

A year? 30 coils at 2 per deck and average set lasting 2-3 months (I've been using a set for 6 months) she should be good for a very long time - of course it depends on how many decks she has on the go. Smile
That does raise the question for the veteran vape folks here - with regular maintenance, is any specific wire better duration wise?

Wait...WHAT??? a set of pre wound coils in an RBA deck last 2-3 MONTHS??? No way! Huh

I guess some clarification may be in order on what is called what - I don't mean the coils that come with cotton, etc...I mean coils that you wrap or buy pre-wrapped and install on your RDA deck.....

Bibs ordered pre-wrapped coils from China...

Yeah that's what I meant...I thought you had to change the cotton wicks and the pre wound coils frequently...I had no idea the coils lasted that long and it was only a matter of changing out the cotton wicks....If that's really how simple it is
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(05-12-2016 09:36 PM)TinWhisker Wrote:  Yes RIP. With pre-made coils, the cotton fouls long before the actual coil is ready to die, so the baby goes out with the bath water. With DIY decks, you remove the cotton when it gets ate up, clean the coils (by lightly glowing them and using a toothbrush if needed), re-wick new cotton, and you're good to go again. The metal coils themselves will last quite a while as long as they don't get accidentally shorted or otherwise damaged, which is uncommon at best.

FB, I was being general, but she should get more than that I agree.

Sweet!!! I always thought it was a more frequent process....
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(05-12-2016 09:44 PM)Ripnhl2005 Wrote:  
(05-12-2016 09:36 PM)TinWhisker Wrote:  Yes RIP. With pre-made coils, the cotton fouls long before the actual coil is ready to die, so the baby goes out with the bath water. With DIY decks, you remove the cotton when it gets ate up, clean the coils (by lightly glowing them and using a toothbrush if needed), re-wick new cotton, and you're good to go again. The metal coils themselves will last quite a while as long as they don't get accidentally shorted or otherwise damaged, which is uncommon at best.

FB, I was being general, but she should get more than that I agree.

Sweet!!! I always thought it was a more frequent process....

You'll be changing cotton at about the same rate you change the whole disposable, but cotton is easy to wick and cheap as hell. I spent $20 on a bag of muji squares that will last until my mods have grandmods, or at least until I'm trying to talk you into the iPV20.
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(05-12-2016 09:46 PM)TinWhisker Wrote:  
(05-12-2016 09:44 PM)Ripnhl2005 Wrote:  
(05-12-2016 09:36 PM)TinWhisker Wrote:  Yes RIP. With pre-made coils, the cotton fouls long before the actual coil is ready to die, so the baby goes out with the bath water. With DIY decks, you remove the cotton when it gets ate up, clean the coils (by lightly glowing them and using a toothbrush if needed), re-wick new cotton, and you're good to go again. The metal coils themselves will last quite a while as long as they don't get accidentally shorted or otherwise damaged, which is uncommon at best.

FB, I was being general, but she should get more than that I agree.

Sweet!!! I always thought it was a more frequent process....

You'll be changing cotton at about the same rate you change the whole disposable, but cotton is easy to wick and cheap as hell. I spent $20 on a bag of muji squares that will last until my mods have grandmods, or at least until I'm trying to talk you into the iPV20.

Thanks a lot pal.....Just took a puff and choked it out on that last sentence!!!

Got a link for that stuff? One cotton brand better than another?
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